Apple Creator Studio

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270 points | by lemonlime227 2 hours ago

46 comments

  • jasongill 2 hours ago
    It's $12.99/mo or $129/yr for a subscription that includes Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro, Pixelmator Pro, Motion, Compressor, MainStage, Keynote, Pages, and Numbers

    Educational discount with verification required drops the price to $2.99/mo / $29.99/yr.

    The regular-price subscription includes family sharing, education price does not.

    One-time purchase versions remain available: Final Cut Pro ($299.99), Logic Pro ($199.99), Pixelmator Pro ($49.99), Motion ($49.99), Compressor ($49.99), and MainStage ($29.99).

    Comes out January 28th

    • jasoneckert 2 hours ago
      The most important benefits in my opinion are choice and price - people like me who prefer to buy software outright can still do so at a reasonable cost, while others who opt for a subscription can also do so (again, at a reasonable cost).
      • embedding-shape 2 hours ago
        It's pretty clever that they keep the "pay one time" option still alive while announcing the availability of subscription, so anyone who says "Boo, not you too Apple" can easily be shut down with "You still have the option to buy it!" instead of leaving those critics without answers. Of course, they'll eventually remove the option to buy the software by paying once, I think everyone can see the writing on the wall, but still clever of them to choose to do it later for PR purposes. 1-0 to Apple :)
        • raw_anon_1111 2 hours ago
          Office 365 - the subscription version of Office - was released in 2011.

          Microsoft still offers a one time purchase of Office. There is precedent for Bigcorp keeping a one time purchase version and offer a prescription.

          • nialse 1 hour ago
            The one-time purchase version of Microsoft Office is not available worldwide. Where offered, it is reduced to Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and OneNote, with Outlook as a Business edition extra. Individual apps can sometimes be bought separately, but pricing usually makes this impractical. This is to push buyers to Microsoft 365 subscriptions which is the primary product.
          • Plasmoid2000ad 2 hours ago
            Yes - but perpetual purchases have an interesting gotcha that Microsoft didn't realise at first. To encourage subscription over perpetual, ongoing or evergreen updates are limited to subscription version.

            Office 2024 has every feature that was added since Office 2021 to the subscription version - while a chunk of loyal customers are unaware of them. Back when Google was competing hard with Google Suite, a big perception problem formed with the perpetual customers believing and convincing others that Google were far ahead, with collab editing and other features - after Office had added equivalent.

            So for me, If there's a subscription and one-time option - I wonder if the one-time gets all updates going forward. If it doesn't, I realise that they'll regret that if competition picks up, and try to fix it later. If it does include updates... I worry it will be like many other lifetime updates one-time purchases - when competition is low they'll renege on that promise.

            • raw_anon_1111 39 minutes ago
              So far from what I can tell, Final Cut Pro has gotten perpetual updates. Since you can only buy it via the Mac App Store, ther can’t do upgrade pricing.
          • addandsubtract 1 hour ago
            *Microsoft 365 Copilot
            • systemtest 1 hour ago
              Please note that you need Microsoft 365 Copilot Live Essentials for Business Premium if you want InsightDeck (formally PowerPoint) included.
              • patapong 41 minutes ago
                I had to google this to see if it was satire... What have we come to
          • PinguTS 1 hour ago
            Actually, you can buy only the 2024 version of MS Office for Mac, while the subscription is more up to date. You cannot buy a packaged 2025 version.
        • handsclean 8 minutes ago
          The other thing that’s going to go away is purchasing only what you need. I want exactly one of these apps, I bet virtually nobody uses all of them, and yet the suckers are going to be telling us that being made to buy stuff we don’t want or use is “more value”.
        • groundzeros2015 23 minutes ago
          You are complaining about a problem that hasn’t happened yet and there is no inherent reason it will happen.
        • smugma 1 hour ago
          Many years ago Apple reduced their pricing on many of these apps. They also made their OS updates free.

          Apple wants its customers to buy/subscribe to these tools so that you’re in the Apple ecosystem and buy more hardware and services.

          Unlike Adobe, they have profit-maximizing incentives to let you stay on the buy/rent model that you prefer.

        • whycome 1 hour ago
          Why do you think they will remove the option to buy the software? They’ve kept the model for years. They’re targeting different audiences with the move.
        • alwillis 1 hour ago
          > Of course, they'll eventually remove the option to buy the software by paying once, I think everyone can see the writing on the wall

          There's no indication Apple is planning to end the option of paying once for these apps.

          Apple introduced subscriptions for Final Cut and Logic nearly three years ago [1]; this isn't new by any means. Pages, Numbers and Keynote remain available at no cost.

          [1]: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2023/05/apple-brings-final-cu...

          • Razengan 47 minutes ago
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        • philipallstar 1 hour ago
          > so anyone who says "Boo, not you too Apple" can easily be shut down with "You still have the option to buy it!" instead of leaving those critics without answers

          This is like saying that it's clever for Mars to keep Mars Bars while launching a new bar, as it "shuts down" complaints that Mars Bars will no longer exist.

        • SunshineTheCat 1 hour ago
          Yea I've already purchased some of these apps so I was not going to thrilled if they pulled an Adobe and made me pay for an overpriced subscription on top of it >:(
          • james-bcn 1 hour ago
            > overpriced

            Seriously? This is incredibly reasonable.

            • pantulis 1 hour ago
              It's not outrageous, for sure, specially if you happen to have a use case for all the bundled apps. But things change if you consider that the one time payment for Logic Pro equals about 18 months of the subscription. In my case, I bought Logic Pro in 2013 for 180€. Obviously a subscription seems expensive no matter what the price is.
              • dylan604 28 minutes ago
                So you bought Logic Pro vX for 180€. Did you receive Logic Pro vX++ for free?
                • wrs 16 minutes ago
                  Yes, Logic updates have been free for many years. FCP as well.
        • carlosjobim 1 hour ago
          > It's pretty clever that they keep the "pay one time" option still alive while announcing the availability of subscription, so anyone who says "Boo, not you too Apple" can easily be shut down with "You still have the option to buy it!"

          Probably not. Those customers are almost completely irrelevant and not people who Apple or anybody else cares about. They won't mind if you kick and scream.

        • TheCraiggers 2 hours ago
          > but still clever of them to choose to do it later for PR purposes. 1-0 to Apple :)

          They're doing it because it makes them more money. Corporations are not your friend.

          • embedding-shape 2 hours ago
            Yes, of course, ultimately every choice they ever do is for money, because they're a for-profit company. But maybe we can be slightly more granular about exactly how that choice makes them more money, which is because it gives them good PR. I was just being more specific, but we're saying the same thing :)
          • stanmancan 2 hours ago
            Parent isn’t insinuating otherwise. They’re saying the subscription model is more lucrative, so eventually they’ll remove the one time payment option, but keeping it as an option for the announcement keeps the bad PR at bay.
          • virgil_disgr4ce 1 hour ago
            "PR purposes" IS doing it for money
      • dylan604 34 minutes ago
        So what about next year when all of the apps receive updates/upgrades? Will the paid-in-full versions receive the upgrade for free, or will they have upgrade prices? I remember the days of Adobe's annual version upgrades, and they were at least $99 per app. Using that as the basis, the Adobe subscription plan is not more expensive that just broken up into 12 payments. People that kept running v4 to avoid the upgrade prices eventually got left out as they could not open files provided to them from others using the most recent version. Let's not forget our history on the one-time purchase pros/cons
        • wrs 14 minutes ago
          These apps have provided free updates after initial purchase for many years already. It would be big news if that stopped.
          • dylan604 3 minutes ago
            That is definitely a break from the old Adobe model
      • concinds 1 hour ago
        All companies should do this. Sometimes I want a one-time purchase. Sometimes I want to try the program for a few months and I prefer a cheap subscription over a big upfront cost. And very, very rarely, I'll prefer the subscription, even though it's more expensive over time, to support a cool indie studio with recurring revenue instead of one-time purchases that may dry up and lead to lack of interest from the devs.
        • dylan604 27 minutes ago
          This is my argument for the Adobe subscription. One day, I'm a photographer needing apps like Photoshop and Lightroom and After Effects (because I do a lot of timelapse). One day, I'm a graphic designer, so I need Photoshop and Illustrator. One day, I'm an editor, so Photoshop, Premiere, Illustrator, and After Effects. One day, I'm doing desktop publishing with Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign.
      • Someone1234 2 hours ago
        For *now.

        Adobe also started out as a choice between subscription or buying. The only thing maybe keeping Apple honest is that their stuff isn't as popular.

      • iAMkenough 14 minutes ago
        Except certain features in the software will be reserved for subscribers only.
    • thecupisblue 2 hours ago
      That's actually surprisingly cheap compared to other subscriptions in the industry, especially for such a high powered suite.
      • jonwinstanley 2 hours ago
        As long as you buy a macbook to use it on, they are happy
        • dylan604 24 minutes ago
          They'd be even happier if you bought one of the Mac Studios or Mac Pro. Please, someone, anyone.
      • philistine 24 minutes ago
        The competition for the Creator Studio is not exactly Adobe. Of course Apple will be happy to build on their offerings to be able to really take on Adobe, but this subscription is priced to compete with the online services popping up from nowhere that have stolen the ease of use market away from Adobe.

        The real competition in this market in 2026 is Canva.

      • brk 40 minutes ago
        That was my thinking. I already use several of these apps, the $130/mo. is a no brainer to pick up the others.
      • rchaud 2 hours ago
        Get them in the door now and jack up the price later.
      • Towaway69 2 hours ago
        Undercut the competition until there is no competition, then raise prices or have I missed something?

        Ah, yes - cross finance your loses by selling compute in your own data centres / hosting service because you can.

        • thecupisblue 2 hours ago
          I would assume it's because younger generations of creatives are using their software less and less, increasing the risk of losing the market completely on the software side. At this pricing, more of them will turn to paying Apple rather than paying for multiple services, keeping them tied into the ecosystem.

          Also so many people are paying for Canva, Capcut etc that taking a piece of that cake is quite a low hanging fruit if you have a distribution platform.

          • no_wizard 1 hour ago
            The acquisition of the Affinity software by Canva I imagine motivated this.

            It’s even a similar pricing model, though technically with Pages / Numbers / Keynote covers a little more ground but I think the main intent is to get creatives using Apple’s creative software again

            Pixelmator being the only 3rd party software because Apple never made a competitor to Photoshop

            Though since Canva went full on toward more robust tools I imagine they have started capturing the entire editing chain more than they did 2-3 years ago, hence the Affinity acquisition

            • Someone 1 hour ago
              > Pixelmator being the only 3rd party software because Apple never made a competitor to Photoshop

              Pixelmator isn’t third party. https://www.pixelmator.com/blog/2024/11/01/a-new-home-for-pi...:

              “November 1, 2024

              A new home for Pixelmator

              Today we have some important news to share: the Pixelmator Team plans to join Apple”

              That deal completed almost a year ago.

        • exitb 2 hours ago
          Apple doesn't ever need to make much money on this software, when they make money on hardware needed to use it.
          • sofixa 58 minutes ago
            Apple hardware has "only" a 36% margin, while their software and services have a 75% margin. They definitely want to make more money on software with absurd margins.
            • bombcar 43 minutes ago
              A huge portion of that margin is from the 33% App Store cut which is infinite margin for them, effectively.

              "software and services" really should be broken out from the App Store cut.

              • bee_rider 22 minutes ago
                Is margin profit/revenue or profit/costs? I think it is the former, so it should be “effectively 100%” right?

                Anyway, this isn’t really a meaningful quibble argument-wise, it is obvious what you mean!

        • crazygringo 2 hours ago
          Somehow I don't think Apple is going to put Adobe out of business.
          • echelon 1 hour ago
            They don't need to.

            They want marketshare to enhance their other market positions and give them optionality for future strategy.

            They'd love the whole market, but they don't need it and they won't employ too many resources chasing that.

            They're a powerful giant with hands in so many places. Each enforcing other endeavors.

            This encourages people to stay in the Apple hardware ecosystem, for instance. It dog foods their silicon. It keeps people thinking of Apple as the creative brand and operating system. More creatives buying Apple -> more being produced and consumed for and on Apple.

            Also the strategy of getting kids young has always been genius. They started that in the eighties, I think.

        • nozzlegear 1 hour ago
          What data centers? Does Apple even have data centers? Can people purchase compute on Apple's data centers?
          • darrenf 1 hour ago
            > What data centers? Does Apple even have data centers?

            Apple absolutely has data centres. Where do you think Apple TV, Apple Music, iCloud, Maps, etc compute happens?

            Here's a press release straight from the horse's mouth about one in Denmark, in late 2020: https://www.apple.com/uk/newsroom/2020/09/apple-expands-rene...

            > Can people purchase compute on Apple's data centers?

            Not to my knowledge, but that's not saying much.

            • nozzlegear 24 minutes ago
              > Not to my knowledge, but that's not saying much.

              But that's the entire crux of their comment: undercut the competition, and make them pay for compute on Apple's data centers.

        • beernet 2 hours ago
          Not an Apple fan at all, but damn, in the views of some of the HN community, one can only do wrong. Pathetic.
        • embedding-shape 2 hours ago
          Pretty spot on. I think what's new is that Apple is employing this tactic, before they always went with "Our stuff is more expensive because it's better", but as they seem to slightly pivot into other directions now, this choice also seems to align with the new direction.
    • btown 1 hour ago
      As someone who's loved Logic Pro since the days before Apple bought Emagic, this is amazing that it will be accessible to a broader audience.

      There are many discussions e.g. https://gearspace.com/board/music-computers/1433515-why-does... about the reasons for its popularity, but one stands out to me - its event data model.

      There are far too many tools out there (from FL Studio on one end, to MuseScore on the other) that present piano-roll-based rapid prototyping and traditional western score notation as diametric opposites. From day 1, Logic challenged itself "what if we can use the same event-based data model to render both."

      None of this complexity is hidden - you can edit the raw event stream directly. If you're a developer familiar with, say, React, it makes music creation quite intuitive - everything from visual to audio output is a function of a transparently formatted data store.

      And while that has its challenges, and some of the UX innovations of e.g. MuseScore have been slower to arrive in Logic, because of this "dual life" it's unmatched as a pedogogical tool, and a professional creative tool as well.

    • g947o 2 hours ago
      I thought they basically gave away Keynote/Pages etc to anyone with an Apple device?
      • yohannparis 2 hours ago
        It's literally in the introduction of the page.

        > plus new AI features and premium content in Keynote, Pages, and Numbers

      • hmbakhsh 2 hours ago
        Potentially AI slop features coming to both that they'll charge for?
    • dangoodmanUT 2 hours ago
      Thank god they preserved the one time purchase. I bought all of these apps back in like ~2013 and have been using them for literally 13 years with all updates (fcp, compressor, motion)

      good on them

      • bombcar 30 minutes ago
        It's rare for a company to not only offer one-time purchases, and keep updating them, but also not rebranding/renaming/version cut-off charging at some point.
        • tarentel 13 minutes ago
          It helps that you have to continue to buy their hardware to keep running said software. I guess they could be greedy and keep making me pay for Logic every few years so I'm happy they don't do that but they're still making money off my initial purchase of logic just in a different way.
    • ksec 1 hour ago
      >Comes out January 28th

      I wonder why? Why not today but 28th of Jan?

      Part of me thinks M5 MacBook Air and M5 Pro MacBook Pro will also be released on January 28th.

      • ExoticPearTree 1 hour ago
        I would like this to be very true. Can’t wait to get the new Air.
      • systemtest 1 hour ago
        Could be related to billing cycles
    • cultofmetatron 1 hour ago
      the other benefit is that subs can be a sort of extended trial. Ive been wanting to try out final cut pro but I don't want to do a full video project if i'm going to be evaluating it. better to have 1-3 months to really know before I plunk down 299 bucks.
      • tarentel 11 minutes ago
        They offer a 3 month trial already.
    • simjnd 1 hour ago
      But Keynote, Pages and Numbers are already free
    • Forgeties79 2 hours ago
      Not related to your comment exactly but I feel like I need to get this out in this thread somewhere:

      As someone who defended FCPX and used it professionally for years even when it was at its most hated (2011 or so), it’s been woefully supported the last few years and no one should be on it anymore. Resolve Studio outclasses it top to bottom for the same one-time cost and runs great on both MacOS and Windows. Linux it’s bumpy unfortunately but it does technically run lol

      • embedding-shape 2 hours ago
        > Resolve Studio outclasses it top to bottom for the same one-time cost and runs great on both MacOS and Windows

        Best 200-300 EUR I spent some years ago, and still receives free updates, Blackmagic Design is a really nice company. And, not only does Resolve run great on macOS and Windows, they have Linux native builds that run even better than it does with the same hardware using Windows, which is REALLY nice.

        • Forgeties79 1 hour ago
          Oh interesting re: Linux. My understanding was it was rougher but maybe I should try myself!
          • embedding-shape 1 hour ago
            Runs like a dream for me, albeit on workstation-hardware so YMMV. It runs better under X than Wayland, at least the version I'm still stuck on, but otherwise the performance is top notch and easily worth a try :)
      • geerlingguy 1 hour ago
        Not arguing against Resolve, but FCP is still great for edits.

        It lacks some flashy social media features and modern conveniences for sure, but it's still a very good and widely used editor.

        • Forgeties79 32 minutes ago
          It lacks a lot more than flashy social media features - and given their biggest driver in the 2010’s was arguably YouTubers, they actually need more robust social media features. For starters, they just added voice isolation what? A year ago? That has been bog-standard for resolve and premiere for years now. The audio tools in general are still very subpar.

          I used it professionally from 2011-2020 or so. Around 2020 the gaps in feature parity became wider and more apparent, it’s clearly not a priority anymore. Once I went to resolve I basically abandoned it. I use maybe every 6mo tops now for quick stuff for friends and family or to open an old project.

          The one thing I will say is for speed cutting, it’s probably the best. And that’s no small thing! But that’s about it.

          • bombcar 25 minutes ago
            Based on revenue estimates, if Apple wanted to be competitive here, they could buy Blackmagic for a billion or so ...
    • prodigycorp 2 hours ago
      time to dust off that 20 year old edu email address. with these discounts, college has paid for itself!
      • yardie 2 hours ago
        I finally had to give mine up. Needed to reset the password which required a trip to 4HELP office and I live halfway around the globe now. But the kiddo will be starting college soon so I can mooch off their edu email address.
      • SirMaster 2 hours ago
        That almost never works for me, they usually use a service that verifies current student enrollment like SheerID.
      • WmWsjA6B29B4nfk 2 hours ago
        If you are planning anyway to break the terms of the license and effectively steal the software, why even bother paying something for the privilege? Just get it for free, surely it has to be available cracked
        • embedding-shape 2 hours ago
          > break the terms of the license and effectively steal the software

          We're all (mostly/some) software people here, you don't need to use terms established by the "anti-piracy" firms to make your point, no one is "stealing" anything here, even if they were getting it for free from TPB or whatever.

          • renewiltord 4 minutes ago
            Indeed. But people are stuck on these archaic unrelated terms for now. AI firms will make the whole thing obsolete while luddites cry about “stealing from artists” and stuff like that.
        • Fnoord 1 hour ago
          Cracked software has risks attached to it, such as malware.
        • prodigycorp 2 hours ago
          Spare me the morality play. Apple gifted Donald Trump a 24k gold statue! They will gift me an educational discount to Final Cut Pro.
          • WmWsjA6B29B4nfk 2 hours ago
            There was no morality play. My point is your copy/use of software is equally "illegal" whether you just download a cracked copy or pretend to be an active college student and pay the student price, when you are not in fact an active college student. Either way, you won't have a valid license. So why bother paying?
            • Forgeties79 27 minutes ago
              This is quite the slippery argument IMO. So it’s not about morality, it’s about legality. But also it’s about paying for a valid license, so they shouldn’t pay at all?
            • prodigycorp 2 hours ago
              I mean, why not? I barely use FCP, sometimes to trim a movie in places. I'm still going to be subsiding other users. I'd rather not pirate.
        • lifetimerubyist 1 hour ago
          won't somebody think of the poor trillion dollar company!
    • drcongo 2 hours ago
      That's actually a hell of a deal considering I already pay $5 a month just for Logic on the iPad.
      • apercu 2 hours ago
        I bought Logic maybe 8-9 years ago, and get free upgrades.... If I had paid $5/mo it would already have cost me ~$280.00 more than I paid.

        Even if I had to purchase an occasional update (assuming they were reasonably priced), I'd still be coming out ahead.

        I hate "renting" software.

        • drcongo 1 hour ago
          Oh yeah, my Logic for Mac is probably about that age too, but there's no choice to buy it outright on iPad sadly.
          • Fnoord 1 hour ago
            I bought a license for Pixelmator Pro a couple of years ago. IIRC it cost 30 or 40 EUR. I don't use it much, but it is unlikely you're going to need all of that software.
          • apercu 28 minutes ago
            Oh, didn't know that. That's lame.

            I could see using an iPad for automation, triggered by midi, but I use an Air for that (and even if I used an my Pro, I still have to use a USB C hub because for some reason Apple things 1 (or 2) USB ports is enough. Sigh.

    • deafpolygon 51 minutes ago
      My concern here is are they going to start locking features for Pages, Numbers, and Keynote behind a paywall? Yes, it’s free—but will they still have all of the newer features without a subscription?
  • lemonlime227 2 hours ago
    The individual one time purchase versions are still available for all the apps. Final Cut, Logic, Motion, Compressor, and MainStage are offered in a bundle for education by Apple as a $199.99 one time purchase (no education status is verified) [1]. Pixelmator Pro is available as a one time purchase as well for $49.99 [2]. Not included in the Creator Studio is the Lightroom alternative Photomator, which is available as a one time purchase of $119.99. You could recreate just the Creator Studio as a one time $250 purchase, or the entire suite (including Photomator) for $370.

    Not available for one time purchase are the AI features and templates available for the free apps (Keynote, Pages, Numbers, Freeform).

    Personally, I'm glad that one time purchases are still options for the core pro suite: long term they do hold value compared to paying Adobe a subscription (or dealing with the high seas on macOS). However, I don't see things like the education bundle sticking around much longer, so purchase it sooner rather than later.

    [1]: https://www.apple.com/us-edu/shop/product/bmge2z/a/pro-apps-...

    [2]: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/pixelmator-pro/id1289583905

    • no_wizard 1 hour ago
      The inclusion of Pixelmator Pro is simply so they no longer have a hole in the software lineup as a competitor vs Affinity (I think the real competitor to this bundle) and Adobe

      I think they view Photos as a viable replacement for Lightroom and equivalents.

      • admp 1 hour ago
        Photomator would be a more level Lightroom alternative, odd it's not included in the new Creator Studio package.
        • AlanYx 49 minutes ago
          That's probably a clue that maintaining Photomator is not on Apple's long-term roadmap. I imagine they'll merge some features into Photos and eventually discontinue it.
    • silveira 44 minutes ago
      Thanks for the info, I was looking for this. I have the "Pro Apps Bundle for Education" that I bought years ago and it is an fantastic deal.
  • fidotron 2 hours ago
    > These apps will continue receiving updates, with the latest versions adopting the beautiful new visual design language with Liquid Glass on all platforms

    Are the Apple people really this oblivious, or is someone in PR trolling us?

    • pier25 1 hour ago
      They don't have much of a choice. They bet the house on liquid glass and need to keep up appearances.
      • reddalo 14 minutes ago
        I think they just need to wait a bit and then present something more sensible as the new hot design.
    • codebyaditya 2 hours ago
      I read it less as obliviousness and more as internal language leaking into marketing. What’s “Liquid Glass” to Apple reads like an aesthetic system though but to outsiders it sounds like jargon inflation. I feel the gap between internal coherence and external clarity shows up in these releases a lot.
      • nottorp 2 hours ago
        > like an aesthetic system

        An idiotic aesthetic system that ignores all the human interface guidelines that the Apple of 30+ years ago helped start.

      • faust201 2 hours ago
        Pretty sure these marketing speak was decided half-an-year before. Sales and marketing just do their job

        /S

    • guestbest 1 hour ago
      It sounds like internally it’s a checklist item they have to mention everywhere.
      • cons0le 1 hour ago
        Yep, it's not trolling, it's just them doing the job. A well paid lawyer will defend a client even if they're guilty
    • raw_anon_1111 1 hour ago
      You’ve never worked at BigCorp have you? At Amazon, part of the initial indoctrination when I was hired there was competitive messaging when talking to clients (I worked in ProServe) and what you were never allowed to say. I remember we could never say we had a “moat”.

      I’m sure there is approved marketing copy.

    • storus 2 hours ago
      I guess it's enforced top-down. Yesterday I picked up my MacBook from a logicboard repair and they forced Tahoe on it despite running Sonoma originally so I spent most of yesterday getting rid of Tahoe and reverting back to Sonoma.
      • Fnoord 1 hour ago
        Sonoma won't receive updates for long any more. Better off switching to Sequoia. It'll give you 20 months to switch away, instead of 8 months.
    • blitzar 1 hour ago
      someone in PR is trolling

      the beatings with liquid glass will continue till morale improves

    • baggachipz 2 hours ago
      Have you never had to toe a company line before?
    • DonHopkins 2 hours ago
      Apple no longer supports GL, so Liquid Glass - GL = Liquid Ass.
  • geerlingguy 2 hours ago
    I still miss Aperture. Photos is a far cry still, many years later.

    Lightroom never matched Aperture's organizational abilities for libraries with tens of thousands of RAW photos.

    • haunter 9 minutes ago
      I wish there was something like GOG but for old general software
    • apgwoz 1 hour ago
      I’ve been waiting to see what happens with Photomator, and the fact that it’s not being included in anyway here makes me think it might not survive? Either that, or it’s gonna be heavily integrated into Photos…
  • tomovo 48 minutes ago
    It's a pity Apple didn't choose to acquire Affinity when there was a chance. Pixelmator Pro looks like a toy app compared to Logic or Final Cut. I don't see how it could ever catch up to Photoshop. Even at such small scale it's always been very buggy in my experience and development seems to have stalled (apart from some obligatory AI features).

    I am glad the standalone purchases are still available and I assume they will stay updated in sync with the subscription-based ones. I would hate my copy of Logic getting slowly obsolete..

    • philistine 19 minutes ago
      Affinity never made mac-assed Mac apps. Pixelmator is more a Mac app than Messages or Music. That's why they bought them instead of Affinity.
  • andsoitis 2 hours ago
    > Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro, Pixelmator Pro, Motion, Compressor, and MainStage — plus new AI features and premium content in Keynote, Pages, and Numbers — come together in a single subscription

    So Apple is copying Adobe's business model?

    • bayindirh 2 hours ago
      No, all apps are available for purchase for a one time payment.

      I don't care about video, so I'll be buying Pixelmator now, and maybe music stuff later, and Video part never.

      So it works like before, if you want.

      • bearjaws 1 hour ago
        Available for purchase... for now.
        • bayindirh 1 hour ago
          The only "...for now" event I have seen in last 20 years of Apple software is iWorks and Mac OS X become free.

          ...and they integrated some of the Aperture to new Photos app, which is again was a transition to free.

          Name me something a product, not a service which you can only subscribe in Apple's ecosystem.

          • arvinsim 1 hour ago
            Logic Pro in iPad is subscription only.
            • asimpletune 16 minutes ago
              They didn’t take away a one-time purchase option for it though. It just never existed to begin with so the op’s point remains.
          • ascagnel_ 1 hour ago
            > Name me something a product, not a service which you can only subscribe in Apple's ecosystem.

            The shows on Apple TV are only available via a subscription; there's no way to have a perpetual purchase (at least as far as that a la carte style of purchase is perpetual).

            • dagmx 50 minutes ago
              They specifically said “not a service” and you brought up a service.
    • boringg 2 hours ago
      Well really they are copying the original Microsofts suite packaging which everyone has copied over the years! But yes specific they are trying to take market share on Adobe.

      Its actually like taking on MS and Adobe together... but they aren't really taking on MS office.

    • acomjean 2 hours ago
      Subscription model so it’s adobes model. But you can buy “one time”. Though they have a tendency to just end product support (aperture software was canceled leaving a lot of bad taste for photographers that used it)

      Wonder what Adobe thinks of this. Their support for Mac was pretty important in getting OS X off the ground, now they’re competing with a unified stack.

      When I was a Mac user I remember buying Logic express 9 (I still have the disk). The price is a good deal, but you really are all in forever..

    • mirzap 2 hours ago
      How so? Apple's subscription cancellation is one click away, and you don't get overcharged when canceling.
    • jpalomaki 2 hours ago
      Depends on if you are stuck with the subscription for life, or if there's actually a reasonable way to unsubscribe.
      • bambax 2 hours ago
        You're never free to unsubscribe because you become accustomed to the tools, and use the file formats, etc. (That's why I don't do subscription, ever.)
    • Someone 2 hours ago
      FTA: “Alternatively, users can also choose to purchase the Mac versions of Final Cut Pro, Pixelmator Pro, Logic Pro, Motion, Compressor, and MainStage individually as a one-time purchase on the Mac App Store.”
    • tapoxi 2 hours ago
      Yeah but this is $129/yr, that's significantly cheaper
      • whywhywhywhy 2 hours ago
        It’s cheap enough it’s not enough to fund development of Final Cut but also not enough money to bother spending time on it. Find it odd personally, just offering them free to keep hardware makes more sense than trying to push a tiny subscription revenue number.
        • alwillis 41 minutes ago
          > It’s cheap enough it’s not enough to fund development of Final Cut but also not enough money to bother spending time on it. Find it odd personally, just offering them free to keep hardware makes more sense than trying to push a tiny subscription revenue number.

          Apple doesn't work that way.

          Unlike almost all other tech companies that are organized by divisions, Apple uses a functional organizational structure.

          So all of the software teams are under one head of software; there's no senior vp of the Final Cut division, for example.

          For accounting purposes, all software is lumped together.

          Apple made $391 billion in revenue last fiscal year; when you're making that kind of money, you can afford to do things for reasons other than the amount of money you could make.

          Whatever revenue Final Cut generates isn't required to fund the Final Cut team.

        • vile_wretch 1 hour ago
          $129/year is surely better than $300 once, 15 years ago. Though I'm guessing not offering it for free is to keep it distinct from iMovie and to maintain some semblance of "Pro"-ness (which I'm gathering is up for debate either way.. the last time I did any actual video editing it was on Final Cut Pro 5 so I'm out of the loop)
        • anticorporate 2 hours ago
          It's the problem that the whole industry is facing - the current generation of hardware is sufficient that hardware refreshes will continue to decline, and companies that want to keep milking us for money regularly need to find a new way to do it.
          • rstupek 3 minutes ago
            I hate subscriptions as much as the next person but how would you pay for continued development of software? Do you say a person can continue to run version X forever but if they want a new version they pay for it?
          • alwillis 32 minutes ago
            > the current generation of hardware is sufficient that hardware refreshes will continue to decline

            If anything, Apple is refreshing their hardware much faster now compared to the Intel days. There's literally a new MacBook Pro and MacBook Air every year. And of course there are 3-4 new iPhones every year.

          • no_wizard 1 hour ago
            Sufficient for whom? At my job they’re still refreshing workstations regularly. They buy and churn hardware on a regular basis.

            Not quite “buying on release week” basis but some % of employees always getting new hardware at max specs in the design org

            Makes even engineering jealous sometimes

      • pier25 1 hour ago
        One might argue it offers significantly less value too.
    • F7F7F7 2 hours ago
      Adobe invented subscription bundles? In that sense did the Creative Cloud copy iCloud?
    • pjmlp 2 hours ago
      When there are no more new buyers to sell devices, or new versions of existing software packages, the only way to keep the curve growing for shareholders and MBAs is to sell subscriptions.

      It is also the only way to convince developers to pay for software.

      Having a part hosted on some server is so much better than whatever anti-piracy schemes one can think of, and provides the continuous growth curve for printing money.

      Thus subscriptions aren't going away in the modern software world.

  • H1Supreme 1 hour ago
    Seems like a pretty solid deal, if you need everything. I don't know who that person is though. The intersection between Final Cut Pro and Logic users is pretty small, I'd imagine.
    • 542458 1 hour ago
      TBF, you can say the same thing for adobe creative cloud - the intersection between After Effects and Indesign users is also effectively nil!

      But having one simple opex line item for "software I buy for the creative types" is appealing for a lot of orgs.

      • pier25 1 hour ago
        But the CC subscriptions offers a lot more.

        Photohsop, Illustrator and After Effects are pretty much industry standards.

        • srik 37 minutes ago
          Apple really should’ve grabbed Affinity before canva. Would’ve rounded out this suite much better.
          • pier25 15 minutes ago
            Yeah. The Affinity team with Apple's resources could have made an amazing Adobe CC alternative for Mac users.
      • doctorpangloss 58 minutes ago
        Yes, re: opex. The product is “renewals,” not software really.
    • pier25 1 hour ago
      I'm that kind of user but I would rather not use Logic, Final Cut, or PixelMator unless Apple really improves those. On top of that there's also the platform lock-in concern.
    • cush 1 hour ago
      Subs like this are great for people who can’t afford the full versions yet
  • pjmlp 2 hours ago
    I am still waiting for "XCode for iPadOS", where we can have a Smalltalk like approach to development, beyond what Swift Playgrounds allows for.
    • eurekin 2 hours ago
      I played once with hosting a VSCode server on a raspberry pi for general development and it was actually quite powerful, when used from an iPad. Just not strictly for Swift unfortunately
      • ajcp 1 hour ago
        I'm hosting a VSCode server with Termux/Ubuntu container on my old Pixel 6a and I cannot overstate how awesome it is for just a fun dev setup, especially with a tablet. Easy to nuke and start clean too!
      • qn9n 2 hours ago
        The ecosystem is fine for non-Apple development. It's just building apps for iOS, macOS, etc. that is impossible on iPad right now past some basic applications.
  • ksec 1 hour ago
    This is Off Topic, but the first thing I notice on that page were those icons for apps with Apple Creator Studio.

    They look AWEFUL.

    • MattRix 1 hour ago
      I don’t think they look awful, and they’re more interesting and opinionated than most boring icons you see these days.
  • al_borland 2 hours ago
    Too bad they killed Aperture.
    • hbbio 2 hours ago
      Now they acquired Photomator with Pixelmator, but it's still an independent subscription... not even included in this bundle. Maybe they just forgot.
  • andsoitis 2 hours ago
    Excited to see whether the new Apple boss will lead to software innovation, which has been pretty stagnant the last few years.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/08/technology/apple-ceo-tim-...

  • noodlesUK 58 minutes ago
    I think this is a huge mistake at least as far as the office software goes. One of the key advantages to Pages.app and friends is that they are pre-installed and free on MacOS. This will just drive people to M365 and Google Docs.
    • zffr 53 minutes ago
      Pages and other iWork apps will remain free. The premium features are for curated images and templates, and AI assisted document creation. If you don't care for those features, you will not be affected by the change.
    • dagmx 51 minutes ago
      Good thing they remain free and pre installed. As per the article.
  • dormento 2 hours ago
    Wow, RIP the icons I guess :/
  • speak_plainly 1 hour ago
    This seems like an Apple AI subscription under the guise of a software bundle.

    It’s a good value for some, especially if you want to use FCP, but seems like a bad value for most users who are expecting more value from their Mac purchase.

    I wonder if new Macs will offer a three-month trial for this suite, or if the standard apps will be pre-installed and the AI features are unlocked through a subscription.

    If bundled versions of iWork go away, we may see a renaissance for G Suite.

    • TimTheTinker 1 hour ago
      Sounds plausible. Someone internally likely has AI sales numbers to meet, so creating new subscriptions and adding "AI" to them can help juice AI-related numbers toward that quota.
  • arvinsim 1 hour ago
    Is the one-time purchase versions guaranteed for life?

    If not, then this would likely go the way of others before where it will eventually be removed.

    • prmoustache 28 minutes ago
      Nothing is ever guaranteed for life...except the promise of death.
  • nxobject 1 hour ago
    When you're not plowing money into putting AI everywhere, it's easier to be cheaper than Adobe I guess...

    (For what it's worth, the iWorks apps – Pages/Keynote/Numbers are free and bundled with macOS.)

  • kurishutofu 2 hours ago
    When was the last time Apple made some significant update to its professional desktop apps?
    • joezydeco 2 hours ago
      Forget that. TikTokers are the revenue stream now.
      • embedding-shape 2 hours ago
        TikTokers ("influencers" in general) don't do their editing or any part of their "production pipeline" on computers, kids are doing the full thing via smartphones nowadays. Blew my mind initially too, as I always did "serious work" at a computer and never the phone, but seems they're managing it somehow.
        • no_wizard 1 hour ago
          They often start there, some stay there, some graduate to an iPad, but a a lot of the higher end creators absolutely edit in desktops or laptops (usually MacBooks)

          My old job dealt with this quite a lot as they were our target market, so I got some up close views of how for example, creators like MrBeast go about their editing (well the employees anyway)

          Though I did note a lot of creators that do graduate to more robust software basically go from lightweight editor via Canva -> iMovie or equivalent -> professional software e.g. FCPX or Premiere

          • embedding-shape 9 minutes ago
            Yeah, that matches what I've seen too, bigger productions adopting a more traditional pipeline, while "influencers" or whatever they're called today, kind of stick with the tools they've learned, until they "graduate" as they expand the team and bring in actual professionals.
        • igufrcybh 2 hours ago
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      • rvz 2 hours ago
        They use CapCut which is free and on the web and Google Docs.

        To them what Apple just announced is trash.

  • joshstrange 2 hours ago
    In this thread: No one who has even skimmed the article

    I'll say this loud for the people in the back: YOU CAN STILL BUY IT OUTRIGHT

    They are still offering one-time purchases, calm down.

    • dsego 2 hours ago
      But for how long?
  • kace91 2 hours ago
    I don’t get why they think “professional” is a generic tier.

    If I’m a music producer, what’s the value of being given a digital art drawing program? If I’m an illustrator, why do I need a cinema post production suite?

    Some people might happen to do both, but overlap is largely accidental, right? The fact that they think of all professions as a bundle is even insulting as it signals the products are mostly toys/hobbyist stuff.

    • steve1977 1 hour ago
      I think that's why they call it "Creator" studio. Creators - in the way the term is usually used today - indeed do use many of these tools. Maybe you produce music, create a video about you producing music and also need an engaging thumbnail for YouTube.

      In a feature film production, these would certainly be separate roles. But apart from maybe Logic Pro for composers, Apple's tools are not really relevant at those levels of the entertainment business anymore. Post-pro would be Pro Tools for audio, something like Avid Media Composer for editing etc.

      I think Apple has realized they are not playing on that level anymore and target their marketing to where they are still in the game. That's not necessarily a bad move.

    • vehemenz 44 minutes ago
      Many people that use professional tools are genuinely doing hobbyist stuff. Especially if they haven't already bought their tools outright.

      But besides, this subscription works with Family Sharing and is only $12, so it looks easy to get your money's worth.

    • acuozzo 50 minutes ago
      > I don’t get why they think “professional” is a generic tier.

      The target market is prosumer, not true professional.

      • vehemenz 42 minutes ago
        I don't think there's that much of a distinction.

        The real difference is that a "true professional" already has the software—purchased at full price by themselves or by their employer—and doesn't need a subscription in the first place.

        • acuozzo 29 minutes ago
          The biggest distinction, in my experience, is that prosumers tend to be means-focused and professionals tend to be ends-focused, so there's less zealotry and evangelism in professional circles.
    • Forgeties79 2 hours ago
      A lot of people round trip through various softwares to create things. As a film editor I use NLE’s, DAW’s, music production tools, various encoders (like compressor), graphic design tools…I’d say it’s the norm not the exception to need 2-3 specialized pieces of software during projects.
    • jen20 2 hours ago
      > If I’m a music producer, what’s the value of being given a digital art drawing program? If I’m an illustrator, why do I need a cinema post production suite

      Are you talking about Adobe here?

  • me_online 2 hours ago
    apple can pry my one-time final cut pro purchase from my cold, dead hands.
    • acomjean 2 hours ago
      Many years ago, before Final Cut Pro x my cousin asked me to help inject some video from tapes and keep the time code. In Final Cut Pro. I couldn’t figure it out.

      So in desperation I read the manual. It was seriously well written and I understood the program, what needed to be done and how to do it.

  • WillAdams 1 hour ago
    Is anyone finding Freeform useful?

    I tried it out when it was first announced and found it painfully limited --- did I miss something? Has it gotten better?

    • jonpurdy 1 hour ago
      I find it useful as a massive canvas for keeping a bunch of stuff in context, visually. And accessible via Mac and iPhone. But it is sorely lacking a major feature: highlight text to add a hyperlink. I end up with full URLs instead of hyperlinked words and it's pretty messy.
    • Toutouxc 49 minutes ago
      I use it regularly to do rough sketches of objects on my iPad to model in CAD later on the computer. It doesn't feel right for artwork or notes or basically anything else.
  • reactordev 1 hour ago
    Apple CC

    Like Adobe CC

    I love Logic and all but really?

    I can’t help but notice Apple in the last decade has kind of been spinning in circles software wise while their hardware division makes breakthroughs with M-series chips.

    2026, the year of the Linux Desktop…

  • brcmthrowaway 16 minutes ago
    Does anyone use these apps?
  • samgranieri 2 hours ago
    I wondered when Apple was going to do this. Seemed inevitable when Final Cut Pro on the iPad had a subscription, I think.

    I hope I can still use the non subscription version of Pixelmator pro I bought

  • felineflock 1 hour ago
    That Synth Player and Chord ID seem to be killer features on Logic Pro. Are they recent additions? Do they work well?
  • aosaigh 2 hours ago
    It’s odd not to see Photomator in this bundle. Feels even more likely that they’re going to kill it off in place of the regular Photos app.
  • andsoitis 2 hours ago
    Innovation!

    More seriously, the subscription probably comes out cheaper than buying several (even if not all) of the apps that come in the bundle.

    • lysace 1 hour ago
      Yeah! They were courageous enough to take the step that Microsoft did with the Office suite (announced 1988, launched 1990) and with Microsoft 365 as subscription in 2011.
  • EagnaIonat 2 hours ago
    Are they planning to discontinue Garage band?
  • cupofjoakim 2 hours ago
    That's great if you need everything. If you need one of them, not so much.
    • bayindirh 2 hours ago
      You can buy the individual tools, if you want.
    • al_borland 2 hours ago
      I'm curious how many people actually use all this stuff themselves. It seems like an extreme niche, and more often than not will have people paying for apps they will never use.
      • d_runs_far 1 hour ago
        Maybe I'm old skool... but for the last 30+ years I've been using a combination of photoshop, illustrator, FCP, after effects (back when it was CoSA...), some audio editing and mixing in quite a bit of code as well. While others on my team specialize in one or two domains, I've managed to keep my skills in many.

        Back in the day I was considered a 'MultiMedia' creative. I don't even know what to call myself these days.

  • cush 1 hour ago
    That’s a great deal
  • tjpnz 2 hours ago
    Pages, Numbers and Keynote are the first apps I bin whenever I'm setting up a new Mac. Would people actually pay money for them?
    • pico303 10 minutes ago
      Keynote is so much better for presentations that PowerPoint it's not even funny. But if you're not doing presentations, I can understand dumping it. I do like to have Pages because it means I don't have to bother with Word's annoying ribbon interface and Copilot AI when I'm writing...though sounds like that may be changing?
    • void-pointer 1 hour ago
      Numbers is brilliant simply because of independent freely-movable tables

      It looks so much better than the grid enforced by Excel.

    • piersroberts 2 hours ago
      I'd forgotten Pages and Numbers existed, but Keynote is worth paying for if it means that I don't have to use PowerPoint.
    • nottorp 2 hours ago
      I use Pages once a month for an invoice :)

      Not sure why tbh, my other invoices are done in LibreOffice.

    • embedding-shape 2 hours ago
      > Would people actually pay money for them?

      Why would someone need to buy them, they only run on macOS and macOS hardware comes with it by default, doesn't it?

    • insane_dreamer 1 hour ago
      I absolutely would. I've used them for years, alongside MS Office on Windows and Libre Office on Linux, and while they lack a few features they're not ones I've ever needed and the UI and ease of use is far superior to Office. Especially Pages is a pleasure to work with compared with Word.
    • troupo 2 hours ago
      They want you to pay money for premium AI features in those apps, which is worse.

      The apps themselves are fine IMO.

  • NoSalt 1 hour ago
    > "come together in a single SUBSCRIPTION"

    Ummm ... no, thank you.

  • xd1936 2 hours ago
    Is this replacing the one-time purchase of these apps on macOS?
    • shmoogy 2 hours ago
      Doesn't sound like it > Alternatively, users can also choose to purchase the Mac versions of Final Cut Pro, Pixelmator Pro, Logic Pro, Motion, Compressor, and MainStage individually as a one-time purchase on the Mac App Store.5
    • artimaeis 2 hours ago
      No, fta:

      > Alternatively, users can also choose to purchase the Mac versions of Final Cut Pro, Pixelmator Pro, Logic Pro, Motion, Compressor, and MainStage individually as a one-time purchase on the Mac App Store.

  • rado 1 hour ago
    Pixelmator Pro is fantastic. I've forgotten about Photoshop for many years. Just buy it.
  • Kye 2 hours ago
    I'm keeping an eye on Graphite (https://graphite.art/) as something to move to from Affinity's stuff, but it's good there's a new option for people who need more.
  • wildredkraut 57 minutes ago
    lol, what a money grab.
  • throwaway85825 2 hours ago
    Another subscription slop?
  • bobse 1 hour ago
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  • Fraaaank 2 hours ago
    Alternative title: "Apple slaps subscription model on existing apps"
    • jen20 2 hours ago
      Except that isn’t an alternative title, unless you want to lie by omission thus being wrong.

      “Apple offers new option for subscription in addition to existing one-time purchase optinos” might be an alternative though, and reduce the number of cynically inane comments from people that apparently didn’t RTFA before commenting.

  • isoprophlex 2 hours ago
    God fucking damn not you too, Apple. Adobe isn't a role model to emulate. I hate Adobe's practices. The whole world hates Adobe's practices. I want to pay for a thing with my money and then use it without worrying about ongoing costs, the UI changing, features breaking, or shit being shoved down my throat because some seedy PM wants a raise.

    EDIT: I know you can still buy the software... but for how long?

    • joshstrange 2 hours ago
      RTFA, you can still buy them for a one-time purchase on the App Store
    • spott 2 hours ago
      You can. They are offering both options.
  • sirwhinesalot 2 hours ago
    And here's the ruining of Pixelmator Pro everyone was waiting for. I paid one time 20 euros for it (discounted). And I would gladly pay again even full price for a new major version.

    I don't want yet another subscription.

    I see that they can still be bought (for now) but I wonder how long that will last.

    • bayindirh 2 hours ago
      Pixelmator Pro is upgraded a couple of times under Apple's wings, and this thing is not being ruined.

      You'll still be able to buy it if you want. All apps are still can be bought. It's in the text.

      Apple surprised me nicely there.

    • joshstrange 2 hours ago
      One-time purchase versions are still available. For Pixelmator Pro it's $49.99 on the App Store
  • moolcool 2 hours ago
    How long until the option to buy-once for this software goes away? I am not a fan of this trend.
    • rvz 2 hours ago
      You will (soon) own nothing and be happy.